Falling for Narcissism; Drew Pinsky and S. Mark Young,

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Falling for Narcissism; Drew Pinsky and S. Mark Young,

Byline: Cheryl Wetzstein, THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Celebrities have been found to have higher-than-normal narcissism, so their self-indulgent, arrogant, snarky and sick behaviors shouldn't be unexpected. But their antics, which are recorded and distributed by an insatiable media, are having an unexpected impact: Regular Americans are developing oversized egos, labeling themselves hot and emulating outrageous behaviors, even though it is detrimental to themselves, their families and the culture. Staff writer Cheryl Wetzstein recently interviewed addiction specialist and VH1 Celebrity Rehab host Dr. Drew Pinsky and S. Mark Young, a professor at the University of Southern California Marshall School of Business. The two men co-authored The Mirror Effect: How Celebrity Narcissism is Seducing America.

From Dr. Pinsky

Q: Everybody's narcissistic to some degree. What is 'dangerous' narcissism?

A: Narcissism, in and of itself, shouldn't be thought of as something bad, per se, but there are liabilities that come with it. And the biggest liability ... is a deficiency or incapacity for empathy The hallmark of a narcissist is that when their interests are crossed - when somebody's interest is different than theirs - that's where their empathy really fails [and they go for whatever is in their best interest].

Q: I'm thinking the American public really doesn't know what narcissism is.

A: Oh, absolutely. That was our point in the book. Narcissism is a developmental stage, but it's also a personality trait ... and it can be a disorder that's associated with childhood trauma

Narcissists can have all these good things in their lives - they can keep people around them, they're successful - and yet in their heart of hearts, they feel alone and empty. Often, they have difficulty with intimacy - they tend to act out, cheat, be sexually compulsive. And ... they tend to be addicts and alcoholics

Q: So the 'mirror effect' is when the public becomes attracted to indulgent celebrities and tries to emulate them, it can amplify the public's own narcissistic tendencies?

A: Exactly. This narcissistic cultural turn is something that is affecting all of us, and it's become increasingly pathological.

Q: It is very interesting that swine flu is in the news, because you and Mr. Young warn that our nation is at risk of a pandemic of a personality style. What do you mean?

A: I think we're much more likely to have a pandemic of narcissism than a pandemic of swine flu for two reasons: Narcissism is already much wider spread. And, in the face of a few thousand cases of swine flu, we are taking very aggressive action to contain it. I see no action to contain the spread of narcissism. In fact, quite the opposite - we seem to be fanning the flames.

Q: So how do we get past the need to 'be special' in this Internet age?

A: I am inherently optimistic. It's back to basics. It's back to a reliance, a focus on the real interpersonal experience.

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